Tapsearch Com EditorMichael Moore lost me
March 20th 2010 21:43
By Ray Tapajna Communications by rank- Liberal minds here
Michael Moore emailed me and many others about his Congressman who is for the right to life. I have followed Moore in many issues and have been open to his documentaries but now can no longer support him in anyway after reading his open letter below.
My reaction follows my last post about common sense no longer being a common facility to share our ideas.
March 19th, 2010 6:32 PM
My Congressman, Bart Stupak, Has Neither a Uterus Nor a Brain ...a letter from Michael Moore
Friends,
I live in Michigan, in one of the 31 counties represented in the U.S. House of Representatives by none other than Mr. Bart Stupak, a Democrat. You've probably never heard of him. He's a pretty quiet guy, a former Michigan State Police trooper who boldly decided to run some 18 years ago as a Democrat in a rural part of Michigan that votes almost exclusively for Republicans (yes, I know -- what am I doing here? I'll save that story for a future letter).
His voting record is pretty conservative for a Democrat, but he's had a few shining moments. In the wake of the Columbine shootings, he voted for some gun control, a not-too-popular position to take here in northern Michigan. The NRA came after him with all they had in 2000.
But the good people of this area knew Bart's story and understood: He's been touched personally by gun violence. In a terrible tragedy, his teenage son, depressed and confused from the medication he'd been prescribed, killed himself with the family's .38 revolver. Despite the NRA's best efforts, Bart was returned to Congress by an overwhelming margin.
Yet, here we are, just days before a weak, simple-minded, but now ultimately necessary health care bill has a chance of making it through Congress -- and Bart Stupak is threatening to derail it because he wants to make sure that no woman WHO BUYS HER OWN INSURANCE with HER OWN MONEY is able to have a medically-insured abortion. We're not talkin' about federally-funded abortions -- those were stupidly outlawed long ago. Bart Stupak doesn't like that the Democrats' bill doesn't prohibit private insurance programs, set up for those whose employers don't provide it, from providing abortion coverage if they get any federal funding -- even to an individual woman paying without any government help. That's it.
A group representing most of America's 59,000 Catholic nuns has written to Congress and said that Obama's health care plan should be passed. Stupak, instead, has chosen to diss the nuns. Last night he went on TV and dug his heels in -- he said he intended to stop this health care bill and he didn't care what anyone had to say.
Now, it would be easy for some to just pass this attitude off on his Catholicism -- he believes what he believes and you have to respect him for that, even if you don't agree with him. But it's not that simple. It turns out that Stupak has been living in a subsidized room in the "C Street House," run by the infamous right-wing Christian cult "The Family." It was in this former convent that GOP Rep. Chip Pickering (according to his former wife) carried on the affair that ended his marriage. It's where South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford sought refuge as his marriage fell apart thanks to HIS affair. And then there's C Street roommate Sen. John Ensign of Nevada, who cheated on his wife with the wife of one of his top staffers. (The Justice Department is currently investigating whether Ensign committed a felony while paying off his aide to keep him quiet.)
C Street is where power, money, sex and religion meet. So am I led to believe that Bart Stupak lives in a brothel and belongs to a cult? He says he was just renting a room there. But that just doesn't ring true. Something stinks to the high heavens here, and Stupak sees no irony in taking his holier-than-thou position while living in a house that should be dubbed "Hypocrites' Hideaway."
If Stupak were truly pro-life then he'd vote for this bill. Right now, a mother in the U.S. has a TEN times greater chance of dying in childbirth than a mother does in Ireland. If you really wanted to reduce abortions, you'd have to ask yourself this question: Why does godless France, where abortion is nearly free (it's covered by their universal health insurance), have 20% fewer abortions per capita than we do? What's even more amazing about that statistic is that you can't even get an abortion in America in 87% of our counties because there isn't one single doctor in those counties who will perform one! 87%!! The Right has scared them all to death -- literally -- out of performing an otherwise legal, safe procedure. So, you can say women have "choice" in this country, but the reality is the "choice" doesn't exist in the majority of the nation. "Right to Life" has essentially won this battle. (My personal position: I don't get to have a position -- I don't have a uterus. If a Senate that was 90% female told me I couldn't have a vasectomy or made it a crime to leave the toilet seat up, I guess I might object.)
What is "life"? An egg is life, a sperm is life. Those sperm aren't running on a battery pack. They are living creatures, as is a fertilized egg. But they're not "human beings." A human being is something that can exist outside the womb of a mother. If you think a fertilized egg is a human being, then I respectfully ask you to go down to the DMV today and have them change your birthday on your driver's license to 9 months older than what you've been telling everybody.
So back to my question. Why do we have an abortion rate 20% higher than France's (and more than twice as high as Germany's), especially considering most doctors here won't perform them? The answer is ANY country that has universal health care, where contraception is free, where child care is free or inexpensive, where there is less poverty because people don't become bankrupt over medical bills -- those societies are simply going to have fewer unplanned and unwanted pregnancies.
And there the mask gets pulled off the Bart Stupaks and the "Christians." If the statistics show that countries with government-provided universal health care and nearly-free abortions are, in fact, the countries with the fewest abortions, then why on earth wouldn't the Right be the first in line to support universal health care?!!
Because it isn't about "universal health care." It's about controlling women, period. It's about sticking your nose in other people's business. It's about pushing your religious beliefs on everyone else because voices in your head tell you your Jesus is The One -- even though YOUR Jesus never said one single solitary word in any of the four gospels of the Bible about abortion or fertilized eggs being human. You've just gone and made it up about "life beginning at conception." Jesus NEVER said that. The little voice in your head said that, the same little voice that wants your grubby paws on women's uteruses. You need help. Please get some help and leave the rest of us alone, Mr. Stupak and friends.
After all, isn't it enough that women can't get an abortion in any of the 31 Michigan counties you represent in Congress? There is not one single abortion provider here in the north of the state, according to Planned Parenthood Mid and South Michigan. Hey, Bart -- you've already won! Women's rights have been stamped out in your entire Congressional district! Woo hoo!
So why don't you leave the rest of the country alone, step out of the way, and let them have the minimal health coverage this bill will give them? You wouldn't really crush the sick and infirm because of your own personal agenda, would you? What would Jesus do?
In the meantime, Bart, my neighbors and I are going to make sure a real Democrat runs against you in August's primary here. One of our religious beliefs in these parts is to never impose our religious beliefs on others.
Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
MichaelMoore.com
My response to Michael Moore :
First of all, his conclusion makes no sense to me. Worst yet he does not understand what religious beliefs are all about. He is the one forcing his religious beliefs on us and that the government is a practicing secular religion especially relating to abortion. Actually, many of us, do not even consider abortion just being a religious issue based on a belief system.
Going back to Socrates, the Sophists and Plato, we have a foundation where highly intelligent scholars approach issues with the use of reason alone. Aristotle later came and set a format of logic to be observed to check off observations and conclusion . There was much confusion when Sophists and Socratics use the term " the human nature of man" or "the nature of the Human City." This all happened before Christianity came. The Sophists talks about human nature as the way most men behave and become very impatient with classical thinkers talked about human nature as an ideal that people should live up to. The classical thinker views man as aa creature with two paths open to him. The first represents the way in which he will be happy, thus fulfilling the design of his nature. The second represents the way in which he will be miserable thus departing from the design of nature.
Reference: The Right Way To Live by Richard Geraghty - ( Plato's Republic )
So something like abortion represents the wrong path to choose. It creates a culture of death. And my conclusion is based on pre-Christianity thinking.
It looks like Michael Moore is Sophist. For example, things like Medicare was not the best solution for "the nature of the Human City." Government programs only come when human nature fails. The Free Enterprise system was put in place to provide for those who are left out of its rewards. This is why people gather together into a nation. They gather to pursue the ideal life together. It is about "the nature of the Human City" and "the human nature of man" for the sake of the ideal life on earth.
So far the worst enemy of the Free Enterprise system is governmnet. Currently governments are acting a brokers and dealers in the Free Traders' Free Trade Gobalist World. Governments are on a mission to control the wealth and in our times are mating with massive transnational corporations. They call it the Free Market but it is not. The Free Market in our times has ransacked the Free Enterprise system leaving it powerless. The Free Enterprise system has been cut off at the pass. We have laws on the books to protect the Free Enterprise system in a fair trade way but these laws are ignored.
As to Michale Moore's belief system relating to abortion, he is way off any reasonable thinking on this matter acccording to reason alone. For the sake of our post here, we will leave religion out of the question and talk about what experts say. I faxed this to Rep. Marcy Kaptur is has stayed the course against Free Trade and for the right to life.
The honorable Marcy Kaptur, Copy via fax
I received the email below from Michael Moore and forwarding it to you.
I followed Michael Moore on several issues but after this letter, I
find it impossible to continue any support for him. Scientists determine
that a baby developes brain waves at about 2 months after conception. At age 4 months after conception, the baby's brain starts responding to different words and at age 8 to 9
months the baby develops a memory. At about 5 months, an ultra scan can
tell if it is a boy or a girl. So, a baby girl has a uterus at
about 5 months while having a very active brain. At age 8 months, if she
experiences an abortion, the baby knows she is going to die a horrible death in a
memorable event. And we all know how a baby will do all they can to survive with many surviving outside the womb being only about age 5 months after conception. Scientists study many methods of communicating with possible creatures in outer space and in the future will be able to the same with babies in the womb. It is obvious to me that the baby will choose life - boy or a girl. A baby has the right to life as an innocent third party to any act.
Michael Moore emailed me and many others about his Congressman who is for the right to life. I have followed Moore in many issues and have been open to his documentaries but now can no longer support him in anyway after reading his open letter below.
My reaction follows my last post about common sense no longer being a common facility to share our ideas.
March 19th, 2010 6:32 PM
My Congressman, Bart Stupak, Has Neither a Uterus Nor a Brain ...a letter from Michael Moore
Friends,
I live in Michigan, in one of the 31 counties represented in the U.S. House of Representatives by none other than Mr. Bart Stupak, a Democrat. You've probably never heard of him. He's a pretty quiet guy, a former Michigan State Police trooper who boldly decided to run some 18 years ago as a Democrat in a rural part of Michigan that votes almost exclusively for Republicans (yes, I know -- what am I doing here? I'll save that story for a future letter).
His voting record is pretty conservative for a Democrat, but he's had a few shining moments. In the wake of the Columbine shootings, he voted for some gun control, a not-too-popular position to take here in northern Michigan. The NRA came after him with all they had in 2000.
But the good people of this area knew Bart's story and understood: He's been touched personally by gun violence. In a terrible tragedy, his teenage son, depressed and confused from the medication he'd been prescribed, killed himself with the family's .38 revolver. Despite the NRA's best efforts, Bart was returned to Congress by an overwhelming margin.
Yet, here we are, just days before a weak, simple-minded, but now ultimately necessary health care bill has a chance of making it through Congress -- and Bart Stupak is threatening to derail it because he wants to make sure that no woman WHO BUYS HER OWN INSURANCE with HER OWN MONEY is able to have a medically-insured abortion. We're not talkin' about federally-funded abortions -- those were stupidly outlawed long ago. Bart Stupak doesn't like that the Democrats' bill doesn't prohibit private insurance programs, set up for those whose employers don't provide it, from providing abortion coverage if they get any federal funding -- even to an individual woman paying without any government help. That's it.
A group representing most of America's 59,000 Catholic nuns has written to Congress and said that Obama's health care plan should be passed. Stupak, instead, has chosen to diss the nuns. Last night he went on TV and dug his heels in -- he said he intended to stop this health care bill and he didn't care what anyone had to say.
Now, it would be easy for some to just pass this attitude off on his Catholicism -- he believes what he believes and you have to respect him for that, even if you don't agree with him. But it's not that simple. It turns out that Stupak has been living in a subsidized room in the "C Street House," run by the infamous right-wing Christian cult "The Family." It was in this former convent that GOP Rep. Chip Pickering (according to his former wife) carried on the affair that ended his marriage. It's where South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford sought refuge as his marriage fell apart thanks to HIS affair. And then there's C Street roommate Sen. John Ensign of Nevada, who cheated on his wife with the wife of one of his top staffers. (The Justice Department is currently investigating whether Ensign committed a felony while paying off his aide to keep him quiet.)
C Street is where power, money, sex and religion meet. So am I led to believe that Bart Stupak lives in a brothel and belongs to a cult? He says he was just renting a room there. But that just doesn't ring true. Something stinks to the high heavens here, and Stupak sees no irony in taking his holier-than-thou position while living in a house that should be dubbed "Hypocrites' Hideaway."
If Stupak were truly pro-life then he'd vote for this bill. Right now, a mother in the U.S. has a TEN times greater chance of dying in childbirth than a mother does in Ireland. If you really wanted to reduce abortions, you'd have to ask yourself this question: Why does godless France, where abortion is nearly free (it's covered by their universal health insurance), have 20% fewer abortions per capita than we do? What's even more amazing about that statistic is that you can't even get an abortion in America in 87% of our counties because there isn't one single doctor in those counties who will perform one! 87%!! The Right has scared them all to death -- literally -- out of performing an otherwise legal, safe procedure. So, you can say women have "choice" in this country, but the reality is the "choice" doesn't exist in the majority of the nation. "Right to Life" has essentially won this battle. (My personal position: I don't get to have a position -- I don't have a uterus. If a Senate that was 90% female told me I couldn't have a vasectomy or made it a crime to leave the toilet seat up, I guess I might object.)
What is "life"? An egg is life, a sperm is life. Those sperm aren't running on a battery pack. They are living creatures, as is a fertilized egg. But they're not "human beings." A human being is something that can exist outside the womb of a mother. If you think a fertilized egg is a human being, then I respectfully ask you to go down to the DMV today and have them change your birthday on your driver's license to 9 months older than what you've been telling everybody.
So back to my question. Why do we have an abortion rate 20% higher than France's (and more than twice as high as Germany's), especially considering most doctors here won't perform them? The answer is ANY country that has universal health care, where contraception is free, where child care is free or inexpensive, where there is less poverty because people don't become bankrupt over medical bills -- those societies are simply going to have fewer unplanned and unwanted pregnancies.
And there the mask gets pulled off the Bart Stupaks and the "Christians." If the statistics show that countries with government-provided universal health care and nearly-free abortions are, in fact, the countries with the fewest abortions, then why on earth wouldn't the Right be the first in line to support universal health care?!!
Because it isn't about "universal health care." It's about controlling women, period. It's about sticking your nose in other people's business. It's about pushing your religious beliefs on everyone else because voices in your head tell you your Jesus is The One -- even though YOUR Jesus never said one single solitary word in any of the four gospels of the Bible about abortion or fertilized eggs being human. You've just gone and made it up about "life beginning at conception." Jesus NEVER said that. The little voice in your head said that, the same little voice that wants your grubby paws on women's uteruses. You need help. Please get some help and leave the rest of us alone, Mr. Stupak and friends.
After all, isn't it enough that women can't get an abortion in any of the 31 Michigan counties you represent in Congress? There is not one single abortion provider here in the north of the state, according to Planned Parenthood Mid and South Michigan. Hey, Bart -- you've already won! Women's rights have been stamped out in your entire Congressional district! Woo hoo!
So why don't you leave the rest of the country alone, step out of the way, and let them have the minimal health coverage this bill will give them? You wouldn't really crush the sick and infirm because of your own personal agenda, would you? What would Jesus do?
In the meantime, Bart, my neighbors and I are going to make sure a real Democrat runs against you in August's primary here. One of our religious beliefs in these parts is to never impose our religious beliefs on others.
Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
MichaelMoore.com
My response to Michael Moore :
First of all, his conclusion makes no sense to me. Worst yet he does not understand what religious beliefs are all about. He is the one forcing his religious beliefs on us and that the government is a practicing secular religion especially relating to abortion. Actually, many of us, do not even consider abortion just being a religious issue based on a belief system.
Going back to Socrates, the Sophists and Plato, we have a foundation where highly intelligent scholars approach issues with the use of reason alone. Aristotle later came and set a format of logic to be observed to check off observations and conclusion . There was much confusion when Sophists and Socratics use the term " the human nature of man" or "the nature of the Human City." This all happened before Christianity came. The Sophists talks about human nature as the way most men behave and become very impatient with classical thinkers talked about human nature as an ideal that people should live up to. The classical thinker views man as aa creature with two paths open to him. The first represents the way in which he will be happy, thus fulfilling the design of his nature. The second represents the way in which he will be miserable thus departing from the design of nature.
Reference: The Right Way To Live by Richard Geraghty - ( Plato's Republic )
So something like abortion represents the wrong path to choose. It creates a culture of death. And my conclusion is based on pre-Christianity thinking.
It looks like Michael Moore is Sophist. For example, things like Medicare was not the best solution for "the nature of the Human City." Government programs only come when human nature fails. The Free Enterprise system was put in place to provide for those who are left out of its rewards. This is why people gather together into a nation. They gather to pursue the ideal life together. It is about "the nature of the Human City" and "the human nature of man" for the sake of the ideal life on earth.
So far the worst enemy of the Free Enterprise system is governmnet. Currently governments are acting a brokers and dealers in the Free Traders' Free Trade Gobalist World. Governments are on a mission to control the wealth and in our times are mating with massive transnational corporations. They call it the Free Market but it is not. The Free Market in our times has ransacked the Free Enterprise system leaving it powerless. The Free Enterprise system has been cut off at the pass. We have laws on the books to protect the Free Enterprise system in a fair trade way but these laws are ignored.
As to Michale Moore's belief system relating to abortion, he is way off any reasonable thinking on this matter acccording to reason alone. For the sake of our post here, we will leave religion out of the question and talk about what experts say. I faxed this to Rep. Marcy Kaptur is has stayed the course against Free Trade and for the right to life.
The honorable Marcy Kaptur, Copy via fax
I received the email below from Michael Moore and forwarding it to you.
I followed Michael Moore on several issues but after this letter, I
find it impossible to continue any support for him. Scientists determine
that a baby developes brain waves at about 2 months after conception. At age 4 months after conception, the baby's brain starts responding to different words and at age 8 to 9
months the baby develops a memory. At about 5 months, an ultra scan can
tell if it is a boy or a girl. So, a baby girl has a uterus at
about 5 months while having a very active brain. At age 8 months, if she
experiences an abortion, the baby knows she is going to die a horrible death in a
memorable event. And we all know how a baby will do all they can to survive with many surviving outside the womb being only about age 5 months after conception. Scientists study many methods of communicating with possible creatures in outer space and in the future will be able to the same with babies in the womb. It is obvious to me that the baby will choose life - boy or a girl. A baby has the right to life as an innocent third party to any act.
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